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| Adam Alleman, Jim Duistermars, Louis Eble, Gregory Formanczyk, Andy LeBlanc, Linda |
| Raschke, Gerald Robbins, Andrew Roscoe, Bob Smith, Gregory Walterhouse |
| Meeting Rescheduled from November 1, 2004 |
| Chairperson Duistermars called the Public Safety Committee meeting to order at 7:40 |
| p.m. |
| Jim Duistermars, Linda Raschke, Gerald Robbins, Louis Eble and Gregory |
| Formanczyk |
| Non-Voting Members Present: Greg Walterhouse, Adam Alleman, Andy LeBlanc |
| and Andrew Roscoe |
| Non-Voting Members Absent: Robert Smith |
| Bryan Barnett, City Council Member |
| Tom Boyer, Labor Attorney |
| Nicholas Burgess, Paid On Call Fire Fighter/EMS |
| Ron Crowell, Assistant Fire Chief |
| James Donnelly, Paid On Call Fire Fighter - District Chief |
| Barbara Holder, City Council Member |
| Michael Kiekbusch, Paid On Call Fire Fighter - Captain |
| Pam Lee, Director of Human Resources |
| Pat Somerville, Mayor |
| Steven Swann, Paid On Call Fire Fighter/Light Equipment Operator |
| David Wood, Paid On Call Fire Fighter - Captain |
| Gerald Yurgo, Fire Fighter |
| Chairperson Duistermars explained the purpose of the open forum-style of the |
| meeting indicating that the Public Safety Committee hoped to promote open |
| communication between the Committee members and the Fire Department |
| personnel in attendance. He noted that the intention of the Committee was to |
| address issues and concerns regarding Fire Department staffing. |
| Members of the Committee expressed their concerns that Fire Department staffing |
| is inadequate to meet the emergency needs of the community and questioned the |
| use of mutual aid from neighboring communities, as well as perceived animosity |
| between the full-time firefighters and the paid-on-call firefighters. |
| The following personnel addressed the issues noted above, as well as additional |
| questions from Committee members: |
| * Nicholas Burgess, Paid On Call Fire Fighter/EMS |
| * Ron Crowell, Assistant Fire Chief |
| * James Donnelly, Paid On Call Fire Fighter - District Chief |
| * Barbara Holder, City Council Member |
| * Michael Kiekbusch, Paid On Call Fire Fighter - Captain |
| * Steven Swann, Paid On Call Fire Fighter/Light Equipment Operator |
| * David Wood, Paid On Call Fire Fighter - Captain |
| * Gerald Yurgo, Fire Fighter |
| The following issues and comments were discussed: |
| * The system for dispatching ambulances and/or Firefighter/Paramedics to a |
| medical emergency range from Alpha calls (the least severe emergency) to Echo |
| calls (the most severe emergency): |
| - Alpha Call (Respond with no lights or sirens) |
| - Bravo (Nearest unit responds with lights and sirens) |
| - Charlie (All units respond with lights and sirens) |
| - Delta (All units respond with lights and sirens) |
| - Echo (All units respond with lights and sirens) |
| * Response times vary depending on the severity of the emergency, as determined |
| by the standardized dispatch system. Less severe emergencies, not requiring a |
| response with lights and sirens, will have longer response times. |
| * Firefighter/Paramedics typically respond in a fire engine or a Suburban SUV, |
| both of which are fully equipped to respond to the most severe emergencies. Often |
| they are able to delegate "basic calls" to EMTs on the scene. |
| * Paid-on-Call Firefighter/EMTs respond in the ambulances, all of which are |
| equipped for basic medical calls and for safe transport of patients. |
| * It is considered unnecessary for Firefighter/Paramedics to respond to medical |
| emergencies with the ambulance, as transport of the patient can often be handled by |
| the EMTs, thus allowing the Firefighter/Paramedics to be available to respond to |
| other emergency calls including fires. |
| * Mutual aid between communities results in lowered costs for all communities |
| and is a standard practice. |
| * Mutual aid is only used in instances when City units cannot respond in a timely |
| manner due to other fire or medical emergencies. |
| * Response times fall within the prescribed amount of time, typically within four |
| (4) minutes. |
| * It is extremely rare that Firefighter/Paramedics must leave a fire engine |
| unattended at the scene of an emergency and accompany a patient to the hospital in |
| an ambulance. In such cases, dispatch is notified and the appropriate Fire personnel |
| are sent to retrieve the engine. |
| * The working relationship between full time Firefighter/Paramedics and |
| Paid-on-Call Firefighter/EMTs has improved substantially through a concerted |
| effort by Fire Department administration. |
| Several audience members noted that no formal invitation was sent to Fire |
| Department staff requesting that they attend the night's meeting nor informing them |
| as to the purpose of the meeting. Committee members apologized for this |
| oversight. |
| It was suggested that Committee members arrange to ride along with emergency |
| units to gain first-hand knowledge of the systems employed by the Fire Department. |
| Mr. Robbins stated that he has attempted to do so, but has been denied access by |
| City Administration. He further noted his frustration at being unable to gain |
| up-to-date data on emergency response times from the Administration. |
| (Recess 8:58 p.m. - 9:16 p.m.) |
| Duistermars Memo dtd 10-15-04 to CC.pdf; Draft 2005 Fire Dept |
| Budget.pdf; Fiscal Team Memo dtd 9-03-04 - Budget Issues.pdf; Fiscal |
| Team Memo dtd 9-20-04 - FTFF Salary & Benefits.pdf; Fiscal Team OT |
| Pay Reports dtd 9-22-04 re FTFF OT 2003 to Sept. 2004.pd |
| Attachments: |
| Mr. Lee Zendel, 1575 Dutton Road, discussed the number of full-time firefighters |
| assigned to each fire station and expressed concern that, assuming sick time and |
| vacation time, Fire Department personnel is stretched too thin, resulting in reliance on |
| mutual aid from other communities. He expressed his fear that other communities will |
| "get tired of furnishing mutual aid" to Rochester Hills. |
| Committee members discussed their recommendation to City Council that two (2) |
| full-time Firefighter/Paramedics be added to the two (2) EMT positions that the Fire |
| Chief requested be added to the 2005 budget. City Council consensus was that the |
| Public Safety Committee recommendation would be too costly and was not necessary |
| according to Fire Chief Walterhouse. |
| Mr. Robbins noted that the Committee and City Council have received inconsistent |
| information regarding the actual cost to the City for a full-time Firefighter/Paramedic. |
| The Committee moved to have the City's Fiscal Department provide a definitive answer |
| to the cost to the City for a full-time Firefighter/Paramedic. |
| A motion was made by Robbins, seconded by Raschke, that this matter be |
| Approved. |
| Whereas the Public Safety Committee has received inconsistent data regarding |
| the cost to the City for a full-time Firefighter/Paramedic. |
| Be It Resolved that the Rochester Hills Public Safety Committee respectfully |
| requests that the Rochester Hills Fiscal Department provide accurate and |
| up-to-date data indicating the total cost to the City of Rochester Hills for a |
| full-time Firefighter/Paramedic. |
| The motion carried by the following vote: |
| Mr. Roscoe, Mr. Alleman and Mr. LeBlanc all expressed their belief that mutual aid |
| between communities seems to work and is reciprocated by the Rochester Hills Fire |
| Department. Mr. Alleman noted specifically that, unless the City were to substantially |
| "over-staff" the Fire Department, mutual aid is necessary. He stressed, "no matter |
| what, you always have to rely on somebody for a little help." |
| Mr. Greg Formanczyk, Citizen Representative, gave notice that his term of office serving |
| on the Public Safety Committee would be expiring at the end of the year and he did not |
| intend to reapply for the position. He expressed his opinion that the work done in the |
| Committee "goes no where" and he feels he is not able to express himself honestly. He |
| concluded by stating, "If I can't be true to myself, I can't be true to the citizens." |
| There being no further business to discuss, Chairperson Duistermars adjourned the |
| meeting at 9:41 p.m. |
| Minutes prepared by Margaret Strate. |
| Minutes were approved as presented at the January 10, 2005 Regular Public Safety |
| Committee Meeting. |