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Minutes

Historic Districts Study Committee

Chairperson Jason Thompson‎, ‎Vice Chairperson Dr‎. ‎Richard Stamps‎

Members‎: ‎John Dziurman‎, ‎James Hannick‎, ‎Adam Kochenderfer‎, ‎Sue Thomasson‎, ‎LaVere ‎

Webster‎

5:30 PM

1000 Rochester Hills Drive

Thursday, November 11, 2010

CALL TO ORDER

Chairperson Thompson called the meeting to order at ‎5‎:‎30 ‎p‎.‎m‎.‎

ROLL CALL

Richard Stamps‎, ‎John Dziurman‎, ‎Jason Thompson‎, ‎LaVere Webster‎, ‎

James Hannick and Adam Kochenderfer‎

Present

6 -

Sue Thomasson

Absent

1 -

Also Present‎: ‎Derek Delacourt‎, ‎Deputy Director‎

Kristine Kidorf‎, ‎Kidorf Preservation Consulting‎

Sandi DiSipio‎, ‎Recording Secretary‎

APPROVAL OF MINUTES

2010-0419

September ‎9‎, ‎2010 ‎Regular Meeting Minutes‎

A motion was made by Dziurman‎, ‎seconded by Stamps‎, ‎that this matter be ‎

Approved as Presented‎. ‎The motion CARRIED by the following vote‎:‎

Aye

Stamps, Dziurman, Thompson, Webster, Hannick and Kochenderfer

6 -

Absent

Thomasson

1 -

COMMUNICATIONS

No announcements or communications were brought forward‎.‎

PUBLIC COMMENT

No members of the public came forward to speak on non‎-‎agenda items‎.‎

UNFINISHED BUSINESS

2010-0108

File HDSC ‎98‎-‎012‎ ‎- ‎2040 ‎S‎. ‎Livernois Rd‎.‎

Final Report Recommendation‎

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman indicated he feels the report is good‎, ‎and sets everything up well ‎

for the final submittal‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Dziurman referred to a letter from the owner stating ‎

they would prefer the next owner deal with the HDC‎, ‎rather than the HDC ‎

designate it as a resource‎. ‎Unfortunately there is now a round‎-‎about very close ‎

to the resource‎. ‎The Planning Commission previously determined that the ‎

proposed designation will not have an impact on the property with respect to the ‎

City‎'‎s Master Land Use Plan‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Dziurman feels this particular resource could ‎

be a potential for some type of commercial use‎. ‎The owner may want to think ‎

about rezoning because it may enhance the property‎. ‎This is just a thought‎. ‎

Relative to the actual report‎, ‎Dr‎. ‎Stamps asked if the listing of Study Committee ‎

Members should be members on the Committee when the research began‎, ‎or ‎

members on the Committee when the report is submitted‎. ‎

Ms‎. ‎Kidorf commented this is the Preliminary Report and suggested that the ‎

Final Report be changed to reflect the current Study Committee members‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman asked if it is common that the SHPO office has no comments‎? ‎

Ms‎. ‎Kidorf explained that it depends on the report‎. ‎The SHPO comments are ‎

from March and they did say that there was no map included in the report‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman indicated he can take this two ways ‎- ‎SHPO will make no ‎

comment on the report until later‎, ‎or they are satisfied with the report‎. ‎Ms‎. ‎Kidorf ‎

indicated she would take it they are satisfied with the report with the exception of ‎

the map‎. ‎The SHPO office will not comment at a later date‎, ‎this is their one ‎

time to comment‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Delacourt clarified that this is the extent of SHPO‎'‎s comments‎, ‎and stated ‎

that a boundary description was submitted‎, ‎but probably missed‎. ‎It will be ‎

included in the final report‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman asked if someone bought the resource and asked for a rezoning‎, ‎

would it still fit in with the Master Plan‎? ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt indicated no‎, ‎not as the ‎

Master Plan currently states ‎- ‎but there has been the change of additional road ‎

improvements at the intersection which could call for a reevaluation of the ‎

Master Plan‎. ‎Also‎, ‎if an adaptive reuse is appropriate‎, ‎it would be a good cause ‎

to reevaluate the Master Plan or provide flexibility from‎. ‎Either of these two ‎

points could be reasons to reevaluate the Master Plan at a Planning ‎

Commission or Council level‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Webster commented a few years ago he was in the house‎, ‎and the inside is ‎

consistent with the outside ‎- ‎close to being untouched other than just ‎

decoration‎. ‎

MOTION‎ by Dziurman‎, ‎supported by Stamps‎, ‎Moved‎, ‎to recommend that the ‎

Preliminary Report become the Final Report‎, ‎and that the Final Report and all ‎

required information be submitted for the Williams S‎. ‎Adams House at ‎2040 ‎S‎. ‎

Livernois Road as a potential local historic district pursuant to Michigan‎'‎s Local ‎

Historic District Act‎, ‎PA ‎169 ‎of ‎1970 ‎and as an amendment to Section ‎118 ‎of the ‎

Rochester Hills Code of Ordinances‎, ‎and that the Rochester Hills Historic ‎

Districts Study Committee recommends that Council consider this resource for ‎

designation for the City‎'‎s Historic District Ordinance‎. ‎

A motion was made by Dziurman‎, ‎seconded by Stamps‎, ‎that this matter be ‎

Accepted‎. ‎The motion CARRIED by the following vote‎:‎

Aye

Stamps, Dziurman, Thompson, Webster, Hannick and Kochenderfer

6 -

Absent

Thomasson

1 -

2010-0109

Stiles School‎, ‎3976 ‎S‎. ‎Livernois Road ‎(‎HDSC File ‎#‎05‎-‎002‎)‎

Final Report Recommendation‎

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman commented that the new information received from Peggy ‎

Schodowski should be included in the report‎. ‎Ms‎. ‎Kidorf indicated that since the ‎

Committee has not yet adopted the Final Report it can be revised to include the ‎

new information about the naming of the school and the reverter clause for the ‎

property that was not previously known‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Delacourt clarified the Committee dealt with the reverter clause in the ‎

previous sale of the property ‎- ‎when the property was originally optioned by a ‎

developer as opposed to the school‎. ‎No one has been able to come up with any ‎

evidence of this document‎, ‎and the information has never been shown on the ‎

property‎'‎s title work‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Webster stated he remembers reading in his abstract that the property was ‎

finally deeded‎. ‎This included only a small portion of the southeast corner from ‎

the street probably back to the current building‎. ‎There were two or three ‎

reverter clauses‎, ‎and the title company did grant title insurance as they felt there ‎

was a clear and satisfied deed‎. ‎Leroy Levi had a reverter clause in the ‎

paperwork that was passed to Eli Bristol‎, ‎when it was known as Bristol Farm‎. ‎

After Eli Bristol‎, ‎there was another reverter clause‎, ‎and years later there was a ‎

deed‎, ‎which Mr‎. ‎Webster has located‎. ‎The reverter clause was eliminated and ‎

turned into a deed for the one‎-‎room schoolhouse‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Kochenderfer commented he would hate for the Committee to include this ‎

information in the report if we don‎'‎t have a legal document per se‎, ‎and is ‎

comfortable with the report as it is‎. ‎He feels the information doesn‎'‎t need to be ‎

included in order to protect the resource as an historical site‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman disagrees and feels that history needs to be shown and put down ‎

in writing what happened over a period of time‎. ‎He would like this information ‎

included in the report‎. ‎Even though there was a reverter clause it doesn‎'‎t have ‎

any impact on what we are discussing‎. ‎By including this information‎, ‎it helps ‎

future historians to understand what happened here‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Webster verified that he owns the documents and has them in his ‎

possession‎. ‎They are photocopies of the actual registered deeds that were ‎

passed on from person to person and is not a summary written by somebody‎. ‎

He will get this information to Mr‎. ‎Delacourt‎. ‎

Chairperson Thompson commented that outside of the deed information being ‎

included and updating the Committee members in the Final Report‎, ‎it seems ‎

everyone is relatively comfortable with possibly proceeding with the report next ‎

month‎. ‎

Dr‎. ‎Stamps thought the State had mentioned that an aerial map to describe the ‎

boundary was not acceptable‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt explained that if the Study ‎

Committee decides to go forward with the lines as presented in preliminary ‎

report‎, ‎he will have to come up with a way to better describe the boundary either ‎

through measurement‎/‎feet or a survey‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman is confused about whether SHPO‎'‎s statements wants the ‎

additions to the original school considered as part of the boundary or not ‎

counted in the boundary‎. ‎Ms‎. ‎Kidorf agreed the report is confusing as written ‎

because the boundaries ‎"‎sort of‎" ‎got changed‎, ‎but nothing else was changed in ‎

the report‎. ‎This confused the SHPO‎. ‎The report needs to be revised to ‎

conform with whatever boundaries the Committee wants to designate‎. ‎It is the ‎

consensus of the Committee not to include the additions in the boundary and ‎

proceed with proposed designation of the portion of the school as depicted on ‎

page ‎13 ‎of the report‎. ‎

Ms‎. ‎Kidorf will revise the report after receiving the reverter clause‎/‎deed ‎

information from Mr‎. ‎Webster and re‎-‎reviewing the information contained in Ms‎. ‎

Schodowski‎'‎s email‎, ‎including the naming of the school‎. ‎

The revised report will return next month for a recommendation to proceed‎. ‎

NEW BUSINESS

No new business was brought forth for discussion‎. ‎

ANY OTHER BUSINESS

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman mentioned we need to continue work on the Frank Farm report‎, ‎

possibly putting it on the agenda in the next month or two‎. ‎Chairperson ‎

Thompson added that the Twist Drill report is also out there for resolution‎. ‎The ‎

Committee needs to decide what order these reports need to be forwarded to ‎

Council for action‎. ‎

NEXT MEETING DATE

December ‎9‎, ‎2010 ‎at ‎5‎:‎30 ‎p‎.‎m‎.‎

ADJOURNMENT

Hearing no further business‎, ‎the Chair adjourned the Regular Meeting at ‎6‎:‎12 ‎

p‎.‎m‎.‎

__________________________ _____________________________‎

Jason Thompson‎, ‎Chairperson Sandi DiSipio‎, ‎Recording Secretary‎

Historic Districts Study Committee‎