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Minutes

Historic Districts Study Committee

Chairperson Jason Thompson‎, ‎Vice Chairperson Dr‎. ‎Richard Stamps‎

Members‎: ‎John Dziurman‎, ‎James Hannick‎, ‎Adam Kochenderfer‎, ‎Sue Thomasson‎, ‎LaVere ‎

Webster‎

5:30 PM

1000 Rochester Hills Drive

Thursday, December 9, 2010

CALL TO ORDER

In the absence of both the Chairperson and Vice‎-‎Chairperson‎, ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt‎, ‎

Deputy Director of the Planning and Economic Development Department called ‎

the meeting to order at ‎5‎:‎38 ‎p‎.‎m‎.‎

ROLL CALL

John Dziurman‎, ‎LaVere Webster‎, ‎James Hannick‎, ‎Sue Thomasson and ‎

Adam Kochenderfer‎

Present

5 -

Richard Stamps and Jason Thompson

Absent

2 -

Also Present‎: ‎Derek Delacourt‎, ‎Deputy Director‎

Kristine Kidorf‎, ‎Kidorf Preservation Consulting‎

Sandi DiSipio‎, ‎Recording Secretary‎

Mr‎. ‎Delacourt explained that since both the Chair and the Vice‎-‎Chair are ‎

unavailable tonight‎, ‎it is appropriate for a member to either volunteer and be ‎

accepted by the Committee to run the meeting‎, ‎or for the Committee to ‎

nominate a member to chair the meeting‎. ‎

MOTION by Hannick‎, ‎supported by Thomasson‎, ‎nominating Mr‎. ‎Dziurman to ‎

chair the meeting‎. ‎No other nominations were brought forth‎. ‎By acclimation‎, ‎

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman is elected to chair tonight‎'‎s meeting‎. ‎

APPROVAL OF MINUTES

2010-0539

November ‎11‎, ‎2010 ‎Regular Meeting Minutes‎

As the Commissioners were unable to access the November ‎11‎, ‎2010 ‎minutes ‎

via the website prior to the meeting‎, ‎a motion to approve the minutes was not ‎

made‎. ‎

COMMUNICATIONS

No announcements or communications were brought forward‎.‎

PUBLIC COMMENT

No members of the public came forward to speak on non‎-‎agenda items‎.‎

UNFINISHED BUSINESS

2010-0109

Stiles School‎, ‎3976 ‎S‎. ‎Livernois Road ‎(‎HDSC File ‎#‎05‎-‎002‎)‎

Final Report Recommendation‎

Mr‎. ‎Delacourt commented that the suggested changes have been made to the ‎

Final Report‎. ‎If the report is acceptable to the HDSC‎, ‎it is recommended that ‎

the Committee forward the report to Council for final consideration‎. ‎

Acting Chair Dziurman asked if there were any comments‎/‎additions‎/‎deletions ‎

regarding the Final Report‎. ‎He then asked if the additions to the building are ‎

non‎-‎contributing resources‎. ‎Ms‎. ‎Kidorf confirmed the structure‎'‎s additions were ‎

excluded from the district‎, ‎the map‎, ‎and the Final Report‎. ‎

MOTION‎ by Kochenderfer‎, ‎supported by Webster‎, ‎to accept the Final Report ‎

recommendation as presented and to forward the report to Council for their final ‎

determination on or about February ‎7‎th‎.‎

A motion was made by Kochenderfer‎, ‎seconded by Webster‎, ‎that this matter be ‎

Accepted‎. ‎The motion CARRIED by the following vote‎:‎

Aye

Dziurman, Webster, Hannick, Thomasson and Kochenderfer

5 -

Absent

Stamps and Thompson

2 -

2008-0663

National Twist Drill ‎(‎HDCS File ‎#‎08‎-‎002‎)‎

Preliminary Report Discussion‎

Mr‎. ‎Delacourt indicated this is a preliminary report the HDSC has had previous ‎

discussions on‎. ‎It was mentioned at the last meeting to bring this report back ‎

for discussion on how to proceed‎. ‎

Acting Chairperson Dziurman commented he was not aware that the proposed ‎

district had been reduced‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt explained that at one time there was ‎

an aerial photo similar to the Stiles School photo‎, ‎that showed a revised ‎

proposed district encompassing the office buildings‎, ‎but eliminating all of the ‎

manufacturing space‎. ‎SHPO then pointed out that those parts of the building ‎

are considered contributing‎, ‎whereas the additions that were eliminated from the ‎

Stiles School building were seen as not contributing‎. ‎So‎, ‎it seems SHPO was ‎

more resistant to the revised Twist Drill boundary determination than it was to ‎

the Stiles School boundary‎. ‎The revised boundary was drawn by staff only as a ‎

starting point for discussion if the Committee wanted to consider something ‎

less then the entire parcel‎, ‎and is not a recommendation‎. ‎This boundary can be ‎

changed to whatever the Committee wishes to recommend‎, ‎and staff would do ‎

its best to generate an acceptable boundary description‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt stated ‎

he is not sure this approach to this property is ever going to be ‎100‎% ‎acceptable ‎

to SHPO‎. ‎Whether or not it‎'‎s acceptable to SHPO‎, ‎the Committee needs to ‎

assure that the boundary serves the purpose of protecting the most important ‎

portions of the resource‎. ‎SHPO has said that designation is a local decision ‎

and can be undertaken without their support of a district‎. ‎So if this reduced ‎

boundary is acceptable to the Study Committee and acceptable to Council‎, ‎Mr‎. ‎

Delacourt is not sure there would be any negative implications‎. ‎

Acting Chairperson Dziurman then indicated he would like to schedule a tour of ‎

the building with the owner to look at exactly what is being recommended to ‎

assure it is correct‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt explained there are two property owners‎; ‎the ‎

owner of the southern portion has been cooperative and a tour could possibly be ‎

arranged with them‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt is not sure what the other property owner‎'‎s ‎

response would be about a tour of the northern portion of the structure‎, ‎but ‎

indicated he would make that contact‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Kochenderfer suggested staff research any possible negative ‎

consequences to recommending a boundary that SHPO does not approve of‎. ‎

Ms‎. ‎Kidorf offered that one possible negative consequence would be that the ‎

property owner would not be able to take advantage of the historic tax credit ‎

because the entire property wouldn‎'‎t be designated‎. ‎Most likely it would not ‎

affect the City‎'‎s CLG status‎. ‎

Acting Chair Dziurman suggested recommending designation of the whole site ‎

and letting Council direct the Committee to do something different if they so ‎

desire‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt agreed this is a reasonable way to approach the issue ‎

because it would demonstrate that the Study Committee did first attempt to ‎

compromise by recommending a lesser district‎, ‎but the idea was rebuffed by ‎

the SHPO‎. (‎Because this is a preliminary report and a public hearing has not ‎

been held‎, ‎a formal submittal to SHPO for their review has not yet been sent‎.) ‎

Mr‎. ‎Webster reported that the other night Mr‎. ‎Pat McKay included Twist Drill in ‎

his program on the Rochester Area ‎- ‎his indication was that the important part of ‎

the resource was the southwestern corner of the building‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Webster also ‎

indicated that if the current property owner of the northern section did not want ‎

designation‎, ‎a new owner could always come back to the Study Committee and ‎

request designation‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt said he would contact Mr‎. ‎McKay and get a ‎

written opinion regarding this resource‎. ‎This information could then be ‎

forwarded to the Study Committee members‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Delacourt explained that If the Committee wants to move toward getting this ‎

report to Council‎, ‎they could talk about the potential to forward the report to the ‎

State for their review of the whole district and ask staff to begin to schedule the ‎

public hearing‎. ‎Potential public hearing dates could be available at the next ‎

meeting‎. ‎This is only suggested if the Committee wants to keep the process ‎

moving‎. ‎

Acting Chairperson Dziurman suggested that members read through the ‎

preliminary report again as a refresher and that discussion of the report be ‎

placed on the next agenda‎. ‎It would also be helpful to schedule a tour of the ‎

buildings prior to the next meeting‎, ‎preferably on a Saturday morning‎.‎

This matter was Discussed

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Frank Farm ‎(‎HDSC File ‎#‎04‎-‎005‎)‎

1290 ‎E‎. ‎Auburn‎; ‎1304 ‎E‎. ‎Auburn‎; ‎1344 ‎and ‎1356 ‎E‎. ‎Auburn‎

Final Report Discussion‎

Mr‎. ‎Delacourt indicated this is a final report and was considered by Council but ‎

no action was taken‎. ‎The report was placed back in the HDSC‎'‎s hands for a ‎

reevaluation based on some concerns of the property owner‎'‎s family regarding ‎

potential designation and the limitations that would have on any future sale of the ‎

property‎. ‎Ultimately‎, ‎Council indicated the Study Committee should work with ‎

the owners to see if the issues could be resolved‎, ‎and then return to Council for ‎

a final determination‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt indicated he spoke with a niece of the family ‎

a couple of times‎. ‎She was actively farming some of the property with the ‎

family last spring and has a love for the property‎. ‎At the present time she does ‎

not have the means or the ability to spend the time to utilize it as a farm or ‎

educational tool‎. ‎When this report was before Council‎, ‎it was reported by Dr‎. ‎

Stamps that the site is archeologically rich‎, ‎and needs to have a phase ‎1 ‎

archeological survey at the very minimum‎. ‎Acting Chair Dziurman asked staff ‎

to look into the possibility of securing a grant through the CLG to accomplish this ‎

study‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt offered to research this suggestion‎. ‎

Acting Chairperson Dziurman asked for other comments relative to the final ‎

report‎. ‎Ms‎. ‎Thomasson wondered if a tour of the property would be possible‎. ‎

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman indicated he needs to contact Mr‎. ‎Ray Frank‎, ‎the property owner‎, ‎

and will ask if a tour could be arranged‎.‎

This matter was Discussed

NEW BUSINESS

No new business was brought forward for discussion‎. ‎

ANY OTHER BUSINESS

Acting Chair Dziurman commented that Mr‎. ‎Webster has been involved with the ‎

Rochester Avon Historical Society and the Rochester Community Schools in ‎

restoring a mural that was covered over‎. ‎There will be an unveiling of the ‎

restored mural on January ‎14‎, ‎2011 ‎from ‎7‎:‎00 ‎p‎.‎m‎. ‎to ‎9‎:‎00 ‎p‎.‎m‎. ‎in the Harrison ‎

Room at the Schools‎' ‎Administration Building‎.‎

Mr‎. ‎Dziurman then commented that back when the survey was completed in ‎

2003‎, ‎there was a recommendation that the two contiguous historic districts be ‎

looked at for possible changes to their boundaries‎. ‎This issue should be ‎

addressed soon‎, ‎especially in light of the Washington Road paving issue‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎

Delacourt explained that maybe the Study Committee should complete a study ‎

report regarding the Stoney Creek District or the Winkler Mill District‎. ‎A report ‎

can be used to redistrict‎. ‎These districts are large‎, ‎funding is limited and it ‎

would mean setting aside other projects‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt believes this project ‎

would exhaust all funding available next year for our consultant‎'‎s continuing ‎

services and would dominate the Study Committee‎'‎s time‎. ‎Acting Chair ‎

Dziurman suggested the Committee re‎-‎read the ‎2003 ‎study relative to this ‎

recommendation‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎Delacourt there is enough money in the budget for Ms‎. ‎

Kidorf to review the ‎2003 ‎report and recommendations and then generate a ‎

recommended first step for the Study Committee to evaluate‎. ‎This information ‎

could then be brought to a future meeting‎. ‎This project would be a large ‎

undertaking and has potential ramifications for the City and for the residents who ‎

live in the district‎. ‎

2011 ‎Regular Meeting Schedule‎

MOTION‎ by Webster‎, ‎seconded by Kochenderfer‎, ‎Resolved‎, ‎that the ‎

Rochester Hills Historic Districts Study Committee establish the ‎2011 ‎Regular ‎

Meeting Schedule as follows‎: ‎The meetings will be held on the second ‎

Thursday of each month at the Rochester Hills Municipal Offices‎, ‎1000 ‎

Rochester Hills Road‎, ‎Rochester Hills‎, ‎Michigan‎, ‎and will begin at ‎5‎:‎30 ‎PM ‎

Michigan Time‎.‎

Ayes‎: ‎All Nays‎: ‎None ‎MOTION CARRIED‎.‎

NEXT MEETING DATE

Acting Chair Dziurman reminded the Committee the next Regular Meeting is ‎

scheduled for January ‎13‎, ‎2011‎.‎

ADJOURNMENT

Hearing no further business to come before the Study Committee‎, ‎and upon ‎

Motion by Hannick‎, ‎Acting Chairperson Dziurman adjourned the Regular Meeting ‎

at ‎6‎:‎37 ‎p‎.‎m‎.‎

_______________________________‎

John Dziurman‎, ‎Acting Chairperson‎

Historic Districts Study Committee‎

Rochester Hills‎

_______________________________‎

Sandi DiSipio‎, ‎Recording Secretary‎