Advisory Traffic and Safety Board
Rochester Hills
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Rochester Hills, MI 48309 |
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Minutes
Thomas Blackstone, Terry T. Brown, Johannes Buiteweg, Ernest Colling, Paul Davis, Scott |
Hunter, Marc Matich, Carl Moore, Linda Raschke, Paul Shumejko, Kenneth Zendel |
7:30 PM
1000 Rochester Hills Drive
Tuesday, July 13, 2004
City Hall Auditorium
ROLL CALL
Ernest Colling, Carl Moore, Kenneth Zendel and Thomas Blackstone
Present:
Terry T. Brown, Johannes Buiteweg and Scott Hunter
Absent:
Also present: Paul Shumejko, Transportation Engineer |
Janice Dearing, Recording Secretary |
TRAFFIC CONTROL ORDERS
2004-0575
"No Parking" Sign Removals - PK-57.1
Agenda Summary.pdf; Traffic Control Order.pdf; Map.pdf; CC 010798 |
Minutes.pdf; ATSB 071304 Minutes.pdf; DPS Report.pdf; 0575 |
Resolution.pdf |
Mr. Shumejko explained the matter was due to a request from a homeowner at 22 |
Texas. This homeowner called the City and requested that the "No Parking" signs along |
Texas just north of Walton be removed. The property owner said that based upon |
discussions with the previous property owner, the reason the road was posted "No |
Parking" was because the house had previously been used as a group home and |
caused parking problems with the adjacent property. Cars were being parked too close |
to the intersection, limiting visibility and creating confusion. Mr. Shumejko stated the |
Engineering Department had verified with the Building Department that the house had a |
new owner and was no longer being used as a group home. The "No Parking" signs |
became an issue when the new owner had guests over, and the two cars that were |
parked in front of their house were ticketed. The homeowner requested that the City |
rescind the original Traffic Control Order (TCO) since conditions have changed. |
Mr. Colling asked if there was documentation that the original reason the "No Parking" |
signs were installed was because of the group home use. Mr. Shumejko referred to the |
minutes included in the packet from the November 11, 1997 Advisory Traffic and Safety |
Board Meeting, specifically the section titled "Parking Prohibition, Texas, Hitchman's |
Haven Estates, Section 8." |
Mr. Colling opined that the condition for the signs no longer existed, and that the |
substantial rights of the homeowner took precedence. He suggested that the TCO be |
rescinded. |
Mr. Zendel referred to the minutes in which it stated parking on the street caused |
problems for emergency vehicles, and wanted to know if that condition had changed. |
Mr. Colling said with a different use there would not be the same volume of cars. There |
would be no more problem than in any other subdivision with the occasional party that |
caused a large number of vehicles to be parked on the street. Mr. Shumejko offered |
that it would be no different than any other intersection in the area. |
Mr. Zendel said he was a little confused on process, and questioned whether the Board |
was to approve the removal of the signs or just to confirm their removal was allowed. |
Mr. Colling said this was a request to rescind PK-57.1, and Mr. Shumejko added it was |
to approve their removal. Mr. Zendel said he had driven by the house before the |
meeting and found that the signs were no longer there. Mr. Shumejko said he would |
verify that with the City's Sign Shop. Mr. Colling explained the City Traffic Engineer |
could remove or install signs within the City at any time, however without the approval of |
the Board and confirmation by City Council, within 90 days a sign so installed must be |
removed. If the sign had been removed, without approval it would have to be replaced |
within the 90-day period. |
Mr. Moore referenced page four, paragraph four of the May 11, 2004 Advisory Traffic |
and Safety Board minutes included in the packet which stated "Whereas, said Traffic |
Control Order shall not be effective after the expiration of ninety (90) days from the day |
of issuance, except upon approval by this Council." |
Mr. Colling asked if there were any more comments or questions. Hearing none, he |
asked if someone would like to propose a motion. |
MOTION by Mr. Moore, seconded by Mr. Blackstone, to remove ""No Parking" Sign - |
PK-57.1. |
A motion was made by Moore, seconded by Blackstone, that this matter be |
Recommended for Approval to the City Council. |
Whereas, Traffic Control Order No. PK-57.1 has been rescinded by the City |
Transportation Engineer under the provisions of Chapter 98 of the Rochester Hills |
Code of Ordinances, Michigan Vehicle Code, MCL 257.1 et seq.; and |
Whereas, said Traffic Control Order covers: |
PK-57.1 Removal of "No Parking" signs along Texas, just north of Walton as they |
no longer serve their original intent. |
Whereas, said Traffic Control Order shall not be effective after the expiration of |
ninety (90) days from the date of issuance, except upon approval by this Council; |
and |
Whereas, the Advisory Traffic and Safety Board has considered the issues |
pertaining to the Traffic Control Order and recommends that the Order be |
approved; |
Resolved, that the Advisory Traffice and Safety Board approves the issuance of |
Traffic Control Order No. PK-57.1 to be in effect until rescinded or superseded by |
subsequent order; and |
The motion carried by the following vote: |
Aye:
Colling, Moore and Blackstone
Nay:
Zendel
Absent:
Brown, Buiteweg and Hunter
NEW BUSINESS
2004-0586
Policy on "Speed Hump" requests
APPENDIX.pdf; SPEED HUMP REQUEST POLICY1.pdf
Mr. Colling asked Mr. Shumejko to explain his reasons for putting this item on the |
agenda. |
Mr. Shumejko said Staff was trying to determine if any additions or revisions should be |
made to the policy that has been in place. He said no requests had gone through with |
success, whether there were not enough signatures obtained or perhaps due to the |
costs involved. When a subdivision has a homeowners' association the policy is more |
clear-cut, as far as getting petitions signed by all property owners within the subdivision. |
However recently residents from individual streets without an association involved have |
approached the City, and he wanted to see if the Board members had recommendations |
to revise the current requirements. |
Mr. Colling thought the Policy on Speed Humps and the section dealing with their |
removal should be made very clear to the neighborhoods, although he hoped the |
Resident Surveys required before the installation of a speed hump would take care of |
that problem. He explained that time and time again residents had come before the |
Board in regard to a No Parking restriction or a signage change going into a |
neighborhood. 25 or 30 people would be in the audience, representing 25 % of the |
subdivision. The Board acquiesces to their wishes, and at the next meeting 75 people |
are in the audience, representing 51 % of the subdivision requesting they take out what |
they've done. He said he liked that the policy required 100 % of the signatures of the |
owners of adjacent properties, but said there needed to be a definition of adjacent |
properties included. And where the policy stated signatures were required from 51% of |
the residents on the rest of the affected street or streets, he thought something should |
be added stating or 51% of the homeowners' association, depending upon the district |
established. |
Mr. Colling said his interpretation was that if it were a homeowners' association making |
the request adjacent streets would be every street within the homeowners' association |
because generally they share the costs. As far as adjacent properties, depending upon |
the length of the street and the number of homes, it would probably be almost every |
house on the street. When you create an assessment district it is not done on a block |
basis, but on a street basis, more globally than just a few homes. If it is a matter of a |
single street it will be a different case, especially if there is no homeowners' association, |
or if the street is going against the homeowners' association's wishes. In that case, the |
only way he would agree to put in a speed hump would be if 100 % of the residents on |
the street requested it. |
Mr. Blackstone asked if the length of the street would be considered. Mr. Collins said he |
had learned that you couldn't write an ordinance or policy that will fit every situation. If it |
is a short street and you get signatures from 100 % of the homeowners it would be |
great. If it is a long street with no other outlets, which does occur in the City, you still |
have to give everyone on that street a voice. If they cannot come to 100 % approval on |
the matter, then there is nothing to be done. |
Mr. Blackstone thought 100 % seemed a bit high. Mr. Colling said they were talking |
about adjacent properties, and the definition of an adjacent property. He said that if |
you're talking about one or two blocks within a subdivision, and everyone wants it done, |
and 51% of everybody else within that homeowner's Association wants it, it's a done |
deal. If you were talking about an individual street that comes to the City and says they |
want a speed hump, maybe if it were a short street the requirement would be defined as |
100%. Some of the streets in the Brooklyns are almost a mile long, Emmons for |
example. In that case you might take a certain range such as two blocks, and say you |
have to have signatures from 100% of the property owners within that two-block range, |
and 51% of the rest, as there is no homeowners' association. Mr. Blackstone asked |
who would decide in that case. Mr. Colling gave an example of paving in the Brooklyns, |
where there was no homeowners' association. When they came through and paved, |
51% of the entire South Brooklyn Subdivision had to agree to pave. If there were no |
homeowners' association it would depend on how the City created the Special |
Assessment District (SAD). |
Mr. Shumejko said there was another matter to be considered. If Street A requested a |
speed hump, the adjacent streets might vote against it because they worried about |
traffic shifting. Mr. Colling added that they might also vote against it because they |
weren't willing to pay for it. He felt the key, and what he wanted to see in the document, |
was the creation of a Special Assessment District. The homeowners' association would |
be the responsible party for paying it. He felt the verbiage worked well when there was |
a homeowners' association, but not well when one did not exist. |
Mr. Zendel asked for clarification that they were saying signatures from 100 % of the |
owners of adjacent properties would be required, and would remove the sentence from |
the Speed Hump Request Policy stating only 51% of the residents' signatures on the |
rest of the affected street are required. |
Mr. Colling said it was sort of a Catch 22. When they have a homeowners' association |
coming in with the request, they would be setting up a SAD with everyone sharing in the |
costs of the speed hump, or humps, that were going in. That is why it was worded |
100% of adjacent homeowners, because they are going to be affected. They have to |
approve this or it is not going in. Anyone who is not an adjacent homeowner by |
definition, 51% of the remaining people in that SAD, which in this case corresponds to a |
homeowners' association, have to approve the cost. Every homeowner within the |
homeowners' association is assessed for the improvement. He explained the problem is |
the City has gotten requests for speed humps from individual streets. People who live |
on street A aren't going to pay for the speed hump on street B, so you have to determine |
a SAD, and then apply this rule to it. If there is no homeowners' association to define |
the SAD, then a district must be defined to apply. |
Mr. Shumejko offered that it would follow the typical SAD with majority consent. |
Mr. Colling asked if there were any other comments on this topic. Hearing none, he |
then made the request that they consider the verbiage that was discussed here tonight |
for the Speed Hump Policy, make appropriate changes, and then bring the matter back |
to the Board for approval. He suggested that after the document was finalized, copies of |
it should be available at meetings to hand out to interested residents. |
Discussed
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A motion was made by Zendel, seconded by Moore, The motion carried.
2004-0576
Regular Meeting - May 11, 2004
May 11, 2004 Minutes.pdf
A motion was made by Moore, seconded by Zendel, that this matter be |
Approved. |
Resolved that the Advisory Traffic and Safety Committee hereby approves the |
Minutes of the Regular Meeting of May 11, 2004 as presented. |
The motion carried by the following vote: |
Aye:
Colling, Moore, Zendel and Blackstone
Absent:
Brown, Buiteweg and Hunter
COMMUNICATIONS
None
ANY OTHER BUSINESS
Mr. Colling said he would now open the meeting up to the Board Members, to give them |
an opportunity to bring up any matters they wished to discuss. |
Mr. Zendel asked for an update on the progress of Crooks Road, and asked when |
construction on that project was scheduled to begin. |
Mr. Shumejko responded that construction was planned for next spring. He thought it |
would be sent out for bids this fall, with some of the prep work started over the winter. |
He said the majority of the work is expected to start next spring. |
Mr. Blackstone said he had read about the project in the newspaper, and asked if the |
road would be improved from Square Lake Road to M-59. Mr. Shumejko offered that |
the job would not include the M-59 overpass. Mr. Blackstone asked for confirmation that |
they did plan to include it eventually. Mr. Shumejko replied that they did and that it |
would be a boulevard, but as part of the Governor's policy on roads she had pulled that |
project out of the budget. The boulevard would be picked up from Square Lake Road, |
and go all the way to Hamlin Road, eventually. Mr. Shumejko recognized Steve Dearing |
in the audience, and asked if he had any updates on Crooks Road. |
Steve Dearing came to the microphone and said he represented Orchard, Hiltz & |
McCliment, Inc. He said his company was doing the design for the interchange, and that |
the job wasn't so much pulled out of the State budget as it was pushed back in time. |
The project is still being designed, but it has been delayed to such an extent that the |
Oakland County Road Commission did not want to wait on fixing what part of Crooks |
Road they could. They are looking at a several year delay on the interchange itself. |
When the interchange is built it will be constructed as a boulevarded interchange to |
match the road cross-section of Crooks. What the Road Commission chose to do is |
build Crooks Road up from Troy to just short of the interchange as a boulevard, and the |
presumption is that when the interchange happens, that project will also construct |
Crooks the rest of the way up to Hamlin Road. |
Mr. Colling asked if it would be a better boulevard than Livernois Road. Mr. Dearing |
responded that the footprint is basically the same, but there will be more crossovers |
sized for use by trucks. He said that the biggest problem with Livernois was that there |
were only two crossovers that had been widened enough so that a semi-truck can make |
a U-turn. There will be quite a few more wide crossovers along the Crooks Road |
Boulevard. |
Mr. Colling speculated that there are a lot of people with frontage property on Crooks |
Road, and Mr. Shumejko offered that there would be quite a bit of property acquisition |
involved in the job. Mr. Dearing said there were businesses and homes that were total |
takes. Mr. Shumejko stated it had been reduced to two total takes, one home and the |
auto park next to it. Mr. Dearing said another major take involved all the businesses at |
the northeast corner of Crooks and Auburn. It is the J.B. Davies property, but he retains |
ownership of the balance of the property, which will be redeveloped. |
NEXT MEETING DATE - August 10, 2004
ADJOURNMENT
Mr. Colling asked if anyone else had comments or other matters to bring up. Hearing |
none, he asked for and received a Motion to Adjourn. |
_________________________________ |
ERNEST COLLING, Chairperson |
Advisory Traffic and Safety Board |
Minutes prepared by Janice Dearing, Recording Secretary |
Minutes were approved as presented August 10, 2004 Regular Advisory Traffic and |
Safety Board Meeting. |
_____________________________ _________________________ |
Ernest W. Colling Jr. Janice F. Dearing |
Chairperson Recording Secretary |