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Minutes

Historic Districts Study Committee

Chairperson Jason Thompson‎, ‎Vice Chairperson Dr‎. ‎Richard Stamps‎

Members‎: ‎Suzanne Carlson‎, ‎James Hannick‎, ‎Sue Thomasson‎, ‎

LaVere Webster‎, ‎Murray Woolf‎

5:30 PM

1000 Rochester Hills Drive

Thursday, June 9, 2011

CALL TO ORDER

Chairperson Thompson called the meeting to order at ‎5‎:‎40 ‎p‎.‎m‎.‎

ROLL CALL

Richard Stamps‎, ‎Jason Thompson‎, ‎LaVere Webster‎, ‎James Hannick and ‎

Sue Thomasson‎

Present

5 -

Murray Woolf and Suzanne Carlson

Absent

2 -

Also Present‎: ‎Kristine Kidorf‎, ‎Kidorf Preservation Consulting‎

Sandi DiSipio‎, ‎Recording Secretary‎

APPROVAL OF MINUTES

2011-0288

February ‎10‎, ‎2011 ‎Regular Meeting Minutes ‎

A motion was made by Stamps‎, ‎seconded by Webster‎, ‎that this matter be ‎

Approved as Presented‎. ‎The motion carried by the following vote‎:‎

Aye

Stamps, Thompson, Webster, Hannick and Thomasson

5 -

Absent

Woolf and Carlson

2 -

2011-0289

March ‎10‎, ‎2011 ‎Regular Meeting Minutes‎

A motion was made by Stamps‎, ‎seconded by Webster‎, ‎that this matter be ‎

Approved as Presented‎. ‎The motion carried by the following vote‎:‎

Aye

Stamps, Thompson, Webster, Hannick and Thomasson

5 -

Absent

Woolf and Carlson

2 -

COMMUNICATIONS

No announcements or communications were brought forward‎.‎

PUBLIC COMMENT

No members of the public came forward to speak on non‎-‎agenda items‎.‎

UNFINISHED BUSINESS

2006-0425

Frank Farm ‎(‎HDSC File ‎#‎04‎-‎005‎)‎

1290 ‎E‎. ‎Auburn‎; ‎1304 ‎E‎. ‎Auburn‎; ‎1344 ‎and ‎1356 ‎E‎. ‎Auburn‎

Final Report Discussion‎

Chairperson Thompson commented that the Final Report recommending ‎

designation was brought before City Council close to two years ago‎. ‎At that ‎

time‎, ‎it was tabled‎, ‎so no action was taken on the Frank Farm report‎. ‎The ‎

Committee needs to discuss what they would like to do‎. ‎

Dr‎. ‎Stamps summarized that the Study Committee made the presentation to ‎

Council‎, ‎the property was found to be eligible for designation‎, ‎but a family ‎

member indicated they did not want the property listed‎. ‎The City Council‎, ‎trying ‎

to respect citizen‎'‎s rights‎, ‎did not take action because someone in the family ‎

was not in agreement‎. ‎It was left up to the Study Committee to try to come up ‎

with a solution to this problem‎. ‎Dr‎. ‎Stamps commented that Mr‎. ‎Frank should ‎

have been in attendance at the meeting‎, ‎because as the property owner‎, ‎he ‎

wants the designation‎. ‎Dr‎. ‎Stamps then stated the structure on the property that ‎

is really historic is now owned by an absentee landlord who is letting it decay‎. ‎

The question then becomes has it decayed to such a point that there is not ‎

enough left to designate‎. ‎If there is enough left to designate‎, ‎the Committee ‎

should go to Mr‎. ‎Frank and make him aware of the Committee‎'‎s ‎

recommendation for designation‎. ‎

There are three structures on the property‎; ‎Mr‎. ‎Frank lives in one building‎, ‎the ‎

oldest structure is in the middle‎, ‎and Mr‎. ‎Frank‎'‎s sister lives in the third one‎. ‎

Chairperson Thompson indicated the middle structure had issues with the ‎

Building Department and asked if staff could check the status of any violations‎, ‎

etc‎. ‎

It was suggested this issue be put on the September agenda‎, ‎and that a letter ‎

be sent to Mr‎. ‎Frank inviting him to attend in order to gain his input‎. ‎A copy of ‎

the report should also be forwarded to him‎. ‎The Committee could also ask ‎

questions of the property owner at the meeting‎. ‎Based on the outcome of the ‎

meeting‎, ‎this request could possibly be taken back to City Council for action‎.‎

This item was discussed

2008-0663

National Twist Drill ‎(‎HDCS File ‎#‎08‎-‎002‎)‎

Preliminary Report Discussion‎

Chairperson Thompson indicated only the Preliminary Report has been ‎

completed for this property‎. ‎

Dr‎. ‎Stamps asked what the State rule is regarding recommending portions of a ‎

district for designation‎, ‎as in the Stiles School issue‎, ‎rather than the entire ‎

property‎. ‎

Ms‎. ‎Kidorf explained Twist Drill is somewhat different from Stiles School in that ‎

the historic piece of the school is a small connector and is very defined ‎- ‎the ‎

new part of the school touches the historic part of the school very lightly‎. ‎With ‎

Twist Drill‎, ‎the only thing that is non‎-‎contributing is Building B‎, ‎but the proposal ‎

was to cut off the facade of an entire contributing building‎, ‎which is not ‎

acceptable‎. ‎That is the difference‎. ‎

Dr‎. ‎Stamps commented that the Committee should submit the report ‎

recommending designation of everything except for Building B‎. ‎Ms‎. ‎Kidorf ‎

believes the boundary can be drawn to exclude Building B if the Committee ‎

wanted‎. ‎

Chairperson Thompson remembers that one owner does not want the ‎

designation as he is looking to sell the property‎. ‎Part of the reason this report is ‎

still out there is the Committee came to the conclusion that if the report was ‎

submitted for the entire property‎, ‎it would be rejected as one of the owners is ‎

against designation‎. ‎The question now becomes what does the Committee want ‎

to do‎. ‎

Ms‎. ‎Kidorf stated that the Committee has not adopted the preliminary report ‎

because there was discussion about whether to change the boundary or not‎. ‎In ‎

order to move forward‎, ‎the Study Committee needs to accept the preliminary ‎

report with either the proposed boundary or some other boundary‎, ‎send the ‎

report to SHPO for comments‎, ‎and then hold a public hearing after ‎60 ‎days‎. ‎If ‎

all the owners came to the public hearing and objected to the designation‎, ‎the ‎

Committee could then decide whether or not to send the final report to City ‎

Council for action‎. ‎

Chairperson Thompson added that this study was started under the old ‎

ordinance‎, ‎and Council may not even know that the property is being studied‎. ‎

Ms‎. ‎Kidorf indicated if Council did not direct the Committee to study this ‎

property‎, ‎the process could be ended now on the reason that it wasn‎'‎t properly ‎

directed to the Study Committee to be studied‎. ‎But she also feels that if a public ‎

hearing is held and input is heard‎, ‎the final report recommendation‎, ‎even if it is ‎

to not designate‎, ‎should be send to Council for final action‎. ‎

Chairperson Thompson said the Committee could also follow the new ordinance ‎

and approach Council to see if they wanted to direct the Committee to study the ‎

property‎. ‎Ms‎. ‎Kidorf commented the risk is that Council will not direct that a ‎

study be undertaken‎. ‎

It was suggested that the Twist Drill property owners be contacted and invited to ‎

the October meeting in order to gain their input‎. ‎

This item was discussed

NEW BUSINESS

No new business was brought forth for discussion‎.‎

ANY OTHER BUSINESS

1651 ‎W‎. ‎Avon‎ ‎- ‎Ms‎. ‎Kidorf explained this is a parcel that is currently ‎

designated‎. ‎It was designated by it‎'‎s parcel ID number‎. ‎This parcel has since ‎

been split‎, ‎and a new house has been constructed on the other parcel‎. ‎Mr‎. ‎

Anzek will be asking the City Council to direct the Study Committee to study ‎

non‎-‎contiguous district and change the boundary to the parcel that just contains ‎

the historic structure‎. ‎This should be a very straight‎-‎forward process and ‎

report‎. ‎

Chairperson Thompson reminded the Committee that the final report on ‎2040 ‎S‎. ‎

Livernois will be presented to City Council on June ‎20‎th and invited the ‎

members to attend if possible‎. ‎Ms‎. ‎Kidorf will be present at the meeting‎. ‎

Chairperson Thompson suggested that the July and August meetings be ‎

cancelled unless an issue comes up requiring action‎. ‎Commissioners ‎

supported this suggestion‎. ‎Our next meeting will be in September‎.‎

It was suggested a ‎"‎welcome to the historic district‎" ‎letter be sent from the HDC ‎

to the new owners of ‎3861 ‎Adams Rd‎. ‎

NEXT MEETING DATE

September ‎8‎, ‎2011 ‎at ‎5‎:‎30 ‎p‎.‎m‎.‎

ADJOURNMENT

Hearing no further business‎, ‎the Chair adjourned the Regular Meeting at ‎6‎:‎30 ‎

p‎.‎m‎.‎

______________________________‎

Jason Thompson‎, ‎Chairperson‎

Historic Districts Study Committee‎

City of Rochester Hills‎

______________________________‎

Sandi DiSipio‎, ‎Recording Secretary‎